{"id":2113,"date":"2013-05-29T18:50:34","date_gmt":"2013-05-29T18:50:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/?page_id=2113"},"modified":"2019-05-10T12:17:24","modified_gmt":"2019-05-10T12:17:24","slug":"mod-req-3","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/?page_id=2113","title":{"rendered":"MOD REQ 3 AW bomb disposal and recovery"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.whatdotheyknow.com\/request\/disposal_and_recovery_of_no_76_s#incoming-89328\"><b>disposal and recovery of no. 76 SIP grenades<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>\u00a0BACKGROUND<\/b><\/p>\n<p>We had asked the MOD previously about AW bombs.\u00a0We have <a title=\"AW bombs\" href=\"http:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/?page_id=135\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">researched the manufacture of these weapons<\/a>, which came in boxed crates of 24, by Albright and Wilson at their Oldbury MOS factory. After reading CHAPTER 13 of &#8220;100 years of phosphorus making&#8221; by Richard Threlfall, we\u00a0wanted to seek\u00a0\u00a0clarification under the Freedom<br \/>\nof Information Act as to whether the army or ministry of defence held information relating to the recovery or disposal of the <strong>seven and a quarter million<\/strong> grenades manufactured that\u00a0he speaks of in his book.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/2030_0101rhodia0337.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2145\" src=\"http:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/2030_0101rhodia0337.jpg\" alt=\"2030_0101rhodia0337\" width=\"469\" height=\"425\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>WHAT DID WE ASK AND WHAT DID THEY KNOW?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;1. Did Albright and Wilson engineer the job of disposal of the grenades or was this done by the army?<br \/>\n2. <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">7,250,000<\/span> documented bottles or around <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">302,083<\/span> crates of bottles were known to have been made and overseen by the ministry of supply! Do the army know if these crates were recollected by the army from local authorities\/ Home Guard after their period of issue post war and how many of these crates were collected, (an estimated value or per centage is what I am seeking, not an exact figure)?<br \/>\n3. How were these toxic bottles disposed of by the army? Was it a job carried out nationally or at the request of individual local authorities? Were there any national repositories for the bottles\/crates and were any of the materials used in their<br \/>\nmanufacture recycled?<br \/>\n4. Do you have any best estimates of how many of these crates were destroyed post use and how many were therefore not?<br \/>\n5. If these grenades were not collected and disposed of by the army,or anyone else, does this mean that of the documented 7,250,000 grenades made there are still potentially a large number out there awaiting to be unearthed and disposed of by the EOD<br \/>\nteams?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The <a title=\"MOD response\" href=\"https:\/\/www.whatdotheyknow.com\/request\/disposal_and_recovery_of_no_76_s#incoming-89328\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">response from the MOD <\/a>, again through The British Army was disappointingly brief, and one wonders who &#8220;the subject matter experts&#8221; really are or what they really do know.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&#8220;I have contacted my subject matter experts who are responsible for the disposal of ordnance.\u00a0 They confirm that they do not have any archived information of this sort held at the Joint Service Explosive Ordnance Disposal Operations Centre, and would be very surprised if anyone has retained that information, if it ever existed in the first place.\u00a0 While we cannot begin to guess at the disposition of the 7.25 million bottles you refer to it seems plain that not all of them were properly recovered and disposed of following WW2.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">I would suggest that you contact organisations such as the ImperialWarMuseum to see if they can help you to find this information.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>WE DID CONTACT THE IWM, AND THEY ALSO COULD OFFER NOTHING CONCERNING HOW THESE WEAPONS OR WHERE THESE WEAPONS WERE DISPOSED OF.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>According to this answer, the MOD obviously do not either know or want to admit to how many of these useless Albright and Wilson grenades may be still &#8220;out there&#8221; waiting to be discovered, or how or where they were dealt with in the 1940&#8217;s when it became quickly clear that they posed a threat to public and environmental health. It is our firm belief that if Albright and Wilson could make them in Oldbury, then Albright and Wilson could destroy them in Oldbury- with a little help from their military FRIENDS.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/scan0037.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2126\" src=\"http:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/scan0037.jpg\" alt=\"scan0037\" width=\"545\" height=\"425\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; disposal and recovery of no. 76 SIP grenades \u00a0BACKGROUND We had asked the MOD previously about AW bombs.\u00a0We have researched the manufacture of these weapons, which came in boxed crates of 24, by Albright and Wilson at their Oldbury &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/?page_id=2113\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":2136,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"onecolumn-page.php","meta":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2113"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2113"}],"version-history":[{"count":17,"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2113\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10611,"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2113\/revisions\/10611"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/2136"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/whatliesbeneathrattlechainlagoon.org.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2113"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}